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Libya
Mar 24, 2011 6:07:09 GMT -5
Post by gonzdara on Mar 24, 2011 6:07:09 GMT -5
With a dire situation in Libya, involving the army firing on its own civilians, and even worse yet, the United States sending bombers. It suprises me a topic has not beed made for this already.
So heres my question, what is everyones opinion on the situation in Libya, and do YOU think that the United States in justified in bombing this nation.
I, for one, am appaled that my Nation would do somthing like that...but maby thats just me.
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Libya
Mar 24, 2011 16:07:09 GMT -5
Post by Teutonic on Mar 24, 2011 16:07:09 GMT -5
I've actually got a fairly strong view that yes; NATO is justified in the invasion. Look at it this way; Gaddaffi's army was defeating the rebels with ease, as they had air, technology, and numerical superiority. Without NATO intervention, the Libyan army would have destroyed the rebel presence, oppressed the people of Libya even further, and caused countless deaths. Now add to the fact that since we've been openly hostile to Gaddafi he won't just forget when he wins-we can say goodbye to beneficial treaties with him in regard to oil exports (inb4 BOO OIL WAR-it's not-this is just a side motivation), we may as well help the good guys, who are fighting for their freedom, and get on a good footing with them, whilst aiding in their liberation, as if we needed an outside motive. Another thing to consider is that so far we (Britain, France, United States, etc) have adhered to the UN resolution, which was that we would intervene against forces threatening civilians. So far we've attacked no civvie targets, only military formations and defences, facilitating the rebels in their revolution. So far we've broken nothing the UN didn't decree, by their own volition, that wasn't vetoed by the opposition in Russia and China, and was actively supported by the Arab league. I think we're entirely just in our intervention, considering the Rebels have a defined leadership that can fill the power vacuum. Another point is the three things I consider vital before intervention: 1: the desire of the people we intervene on behalf of for our presence 2: the firm belief we will make a positive benefit for the people we intervene for 3 that there is no threat we will be defeated in our intervention All these issues are satisfied-The Libyans have been reportedly celebrating the intervention and treating the NATO airmen as heroes, we've destroyed Gadaffi's air, and armour superiority, whilst suppressing his forces, and we're aiding the just revolution. I see only good in our actions.
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Libya
Mar 24, 2011 17:43:34 GMT -5
Post by Kardas on Mar 24, 2011 17:43:34 GMT -5
I had actually considered posting a topic about this, but I wasn't sure if this was connected to my ol' Egypt/Tunesia topic. They share the same cause anyway. Since the Gulf States seem to have problems with the revolts as well, I'm truly curious how far the entire thing will go and the role that the internet has to play in all this. Now, back to the topic
Well, Ban Ki-Moon of the UN describes it in positive words according to today's UN Newswire. That's good I suppose. Given that Russia and China could have vetobombed the reso, even they realize something must be done about the situation. Given everything that Ghaddaffi's forces have committed, I think this can be justified. After all, the General Secretary approves!
But I haven't paid that much attention to it actually. That, and I'm still in a "Megadeth totally owns!" mood after listening to Rust in Peace for the first time.
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Libya
Mar 24, 2011 18:39:19 GMT -5
Post by Neo Nibu on Mar 24, 2011 18:39:19 GMT -5
Well personally I hate to see the US in yet a third war, I hold a more Isolationist as preferable, but if we're gona help anyone I think helping the rebels and helping them free themselves to be a good thing.
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Libya
Mar 24, 2011 22:23:35 GMT -5
Post by Skooby Snaks on Mar 24, 2011 22:23:35 GMT -5
I don't agree with it, I understand that civilians are being killed but I don't like the fact that the U.S. has to be the police of the world in every issue. We have plenty of problems in our own country to face right now. I think that should be Obamas number one priority, not Libya.
I support the war in Afghanistan but that is different because it affected us.
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Libya
Mar 25, 2011 15:59:02 GMT -5
Post by Cantiliahantan on Mar 25, 2011 15:59:02 GMT -5
i think maybe some of you may guess that shaky help by sending in planes is not enough i mean say they gain power then think "o well yea they helped but were cowards and refused to risk themselfs at all so or in any way that matters so there fore it will be hazardous cause their support varies with who has the highest bid and the never commit really that much at all" i think we need to pull out theis goes against my grain really but libay is not the main issue we need to look towards saudi arbia rtc kuiat so on so on not the littler guys
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Libya
Mar 25, 2011 16:20:18 GMT -5
Post by Teutonic on Mar 25, 2011 16:20:18 GMT -5
It seems to have been more than enough-The Libyan army is demoralised, it's armour and air superiority eliminated, and many units are being pushed back by the rebels. If we put actual boots on the ground they'd more than likely consider it an invasion, as with iraq, and hate us all the more-this way we help without actually being a threat.If the rebels win, we'll likely have little more to do with them-they may be brought under western influence,a dn tehy'll certainly get soem aid from the EU or UN, but I suspect things will go on as before. As for kuwait and Saudi Arabia, invading them without cause would be disastorous-the people would actively resist, we'd alienate all our Middle eastern allies, Iran would likle ytake it as a cue to crash test their nuclear programme on Tel Aviv and we'd see some real nasty things. I think once Libya has been stabalised, the Middle East should be left alone.
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Libya
Mar 25, 2011 19:43:30 GMT -5
Post by Kazzerland on Mar 25, 2011 19:43:30 GMT -5
I have to agree with you, Teutonic. So long as there is little to no risk of our own soldiers dying, I see no harm in providing much needed support to these oppressed people. It's apparent that they are very thankful for our help, in fact they are hailing us as heroes. As far as I know, we have suffered zero coalition causalities, while still providing an immense boost to the effectiveness of the rebels. I doubt this conflict will take all that long to resolve -- of course, I could be dead wrong about that.
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Libya
Mar 26, 2011 13:43:53 GMT -5
Post by Cantiliahantan on Mar 26, 2011 13:43:53 GMT -5
Well you see the middle east is rapidly falling into Chaos we need to support our current government allies so when they have a revolution and we help them or...if a our allys start a revolution than we also hlp them our allegance shouldnt be decided by them whims of a bunch no body civilians with a attidude problem and who think that the best soulution to any prblem is a dam Revolution evrey few decades!
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