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Post by Kardas on Mar 20, 2011 19:55:17 GMT -5
Given how things have been heating up so much in the RP, I believe we should get a set population limit on our nations from which we can calculate our military, and such. It would at a touch of realism and keep godmodding at bay. Using the pop of our NS nations could have been an option if not for the fact that the CIW has 8.6 billion and Nibu clocks in at 11.7 billion.
This has also popped up in the Fantasy RP- I tried to base my pop off LOTR for example (about 50,000 humans and dwarves total), while Austin can raise an army of say, 100,000.
Suggestions? I think it's best that we take realistic population sized in the RL RP, while we can allow larger and smaller amounts for the FT and Fantasy RPs respectively.
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Post by seattile on Mar 20, 2011 20:58:13 GMT -5
I think you are right. I based my Kingdom on real Kingdoms (England, France, Norway, and Ireland) and also Dragon Age Origins (I also got most of the names of people and cities from DA). So my Dwarves would have a low population and a lower but tough military, and my humans would have a much larger population and larger army but the infantry wouldn't be as good as the dwarves.
I found this while shearching the internet
Estimates of World population in millions
10000 BC__ 4
5000 BC __ 5
1000 BC __ 50
1 AD__ 170
600 AD__ 200
1000 AD__ 265
1500 AD__ 425
1600 AD__ 545
1700 AD__ 610
1800 AD__ 900
1900 AD__ 1,625
2000 AD__ 6,078
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Post by austinset on Mar 20, 2011 21:42:03 GMT -5
well my kingdoms population, since its ancient, is around 1 million, thats all i have to say, because again, EVERY RP I GO INTO IM DISADVANTAGED, so i use NUMBERS
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Post by Neo Nibu on Mar 21, 2011 15:40:06 GMT -5
Well I think we should use the LOTR population count, or some other set amount, I think each nation should have about the same population and be equal in "strength."
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Post by Teutonic on Mar 21, 2011 17:01:17 GMT -5
I reckon that military strength should be inversly proportional to population in the fantasy RP. For example, I'm basing my nation on a fairly wide population base, but made my army mostly rag tag militias rased and maintained as a requirment from certain population bases. As this effectively makes my military potential effectively peasants in a patchwork uniform bearing a rusty pike, I'd hope that it equals out with roleplaying a populated nation.
Inversley, if you have a small population, it's only fair you have a strong or elite military to compensate. I'm fairly certain we could go as far to write an equation for this in the fantasy RP, if population over strength must equal nothing above a certain number, and likewise for strength over population.
In the other RPs it's a little harder, as tech factors, but then, numbers are very much obselete in an age of automatic weaponry, so it isn't so much of a problem.
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Post by Neo Nibu on Mar 21, 2011 18:23:39 GMT -5
Yea this is more towards the fantasy rpg, I don't think it's an issue in the others, the Future tech makes sense to have massive population, as for the traditional/modern day one, I haven't been involved in that for a while.
I think something like that could work, although I still think we should set some sort of max & minimum, since at the current extremes on one hand Kardas has '50,000' and on the other Austin has '1 million' aka 20 times Kardas's population. I think at most the largest nation should be only about 3 times as large as the smallest.
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Post by austinset on Mar 21, 2011 19:22:31 GMT -5
ok then i will accept 200K, is that ok? its only slightly larger AND 50K are in the military, which will be the MAIN part of the RP, is my new population acceptable?
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Post by Kardas on Mar 21, 2011 20:29:41 GMT -5
@ Seattile: that's handy, thanks
Don't have a lot of time currently- needed to finish a report on igneous rocks, and about to sleep
BUT
I made a mistake. I accidentally left out a zero in my original figures. So my total pop is about 500K instead. Makes sense, I read the LOTR wiki again which said about 300K Orcs inhabited Mordor.
In any case, my pop shouldn't be one of the bigger ones. I've got slightly more Dwarves (who are a bit better) than humans in mine, and the humans had a plague behind them in my history. I think Canti, given that his nation has the most elite stuff, should form as the minimum here.
As for the RL RP, I think any pop should be okay so long as it doesn't exceed 700 million. As for the FT RP, go nuts I suppose. Will probably use the CIW pop for my nation.
Note I also posted something in the RP rules thread that entails what can be a realistic percentage of your nation serving in the military, gleaned from the NS forums.
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Post by Teutonic on Mar 22, 2011 12:41:28 GMT -5
I think it may have to go down to arbitary decision here. If people are making facftfiles, make it compulsory to state the potential size and skill of an army-If it gets cleared by a mod then it can be used. I sppose it's jusdt like conventional GMing when you get down to it, with checking charactrer sheets/factfiles and preventing "Mary/Gary Sues" from throwing spanners in the works with overpowered systems.
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Post by Cantiliahantan on Mar 22, 2011 15:39:25 GMT -5
ok pop wil grow and myy total pop Vampires Lycans and human food stocks included (new breeding program) is about 100k (20k total vamp mostly all army 50k lycan swarm/slave and 30k human you see how the human vs vampire ratio is so small with all vamps usingg like 2 a day and the more pwerfull ones that use magic 3-4 a day) no but i think the pop should be fairly loose like say oh 5-6 mill and the larger nations would need to be swarm0horde type deals or a small military
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Post by austinset on Mar 22, 2011 15:51:29 GMT -5
k 7 hundred K it is
70% human
30% all of the other species in my factbook
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Post by gonzdara on Mar 23, 2011 20:27:19 GMT -5
This sounds good,
but as others have mentioned, they use numbers to compensate for lack of resources or skill.
So as long as people are being balanced with that then its ok by me.
For example, Russia was huge, but they were never quite as powerful as one would expect, because they only had one rifle for every six Soilders. Dont get me wrong, Russia had its high points, but if I put a Nation of that size on one of our maps, everyone would expect them to control the whole continent.
One thing I think we should do is allow people with more population, more map spots, that way we know for sure, and can check, how thinly spread a nation is, just by looking at the map.
Although for the record,
Gonzdara in;
Modern Tech = Average population (whatever you set that as) Average Army size
Future Tech = Large population. Very small super powerful soilders
Fantasy = Large population of Slaves, headed by small population of super powerful soilders
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Post by kyraina on Mar 31, 2011 21:08:08 GMT -5
im confused?
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